So Paul seems to hold what we would call almost a subordinationist form of Christology, whereas Colossians and Ephesians tend to have Christ as more fully God. 保罗支持,我们所谓的从属基督论,《歌罗西书》和《以弗所书》,认为基督是更丰满的上帝。
That's not the way it is in Colossians and Ephesians where it's much more hierarchical, much more patriarchal. 在《歌罗西书》和《以弗所书》中不是这样,在那里的等级更分明,家长制更明显。
And when the townclerk had appeased the people, he said, ye men of ephesus, what man is there that knoweth not how that the city of the Ephesians is a worshipper of the great goddess diana, and of the image which fell down from jupiter? 那城里的书记,安抚了众人,就说,以弗所人哪,谁不知道以弗所人的城,是看守大亚底米的庙,和从宙斯那里落下来的像呢。
The two that are the most debated probably now are Colossians and Ephesians. 现在争议最大的两封信,是《歌罗西书》和《以弗所书》
Why do I say that Colossians and Ephesians were not written by Paul but by a disciple of Paul later? 我为什么说,《歌罗西书》和《以弗所书》不是保罗写的,而是后来保罗的门徒写的?
But when they knew that he was a Jew, all with one voice about the space of two hours cried out, Great is Diana of the Ephesians. 只因他们认出他是犹太人,就大家同声喊着说:“大哉!以弗所人的亚底米啊。”如此约有两小时。
Another interesting thing is we don't really know whether the letter to the Ephesians was written to the Ephesians. 另一个有意思的地方是,我们不知道,《以弗所书》是不是写给以弗所人的。
The writer to Ephesians condemns that kind of language. 《以弗所书》的作者谴责这种语言。
It's almost as if the eschatological timeline, the axis in Paul's letter, has been just flipped up like this in Colossians and Ephesians, so that's one major difference. 它就像一条末世时间线,保罗书信中的水平轴,在《歌罗西书》和《以弗所书》中竖了起来,这是一个主要区别。
The reference to the Ephesians ( 1:1) is missing in some manuscripts, and the epistle may have been a circular letter to several churches. 提到以弗所(1:1)中缺少一些手稿和书信可能是一个通函一些教堂。
In that period Paul must have received several special revelations, including the doctrine of the church as it is found in his epistles especially Ephesians. 此外,保罗也一定领受了一些启示,包括教会的教义,详见于他后来所写的书信,特别是以弗所书。
Paul to the Ephesians was not perhaps addressed directly to them; it may be only a circular letter sent by him to several churches. 在使徒圣保罗的以弗所也许没有直接处理的人;这可能是唯一一个圆形他信的几个教堂。
To husbands, fathers, children and servants, in the Epistle to the Ephesians; 丈夫、父亲、孩童、仆婢的义务,在《以弗所书》里;
The next preaching series is the book of Ephesians. Please read the book once. 下一个讲道系列是以弗所书。请弟兄姐妹把以弗所书读一遍。
Already in Colossians and Ephesians they set up the household in a clear hierarchical patriarchal situation. 歌罗西书和以弗所书已经在家庭中,建立起明确的家长等级关系。
If you get Ephesians you have this long, long, long sentence that is longer than the similar sentence in Colossians but seems to borrow some from it. 《以弗所书》里的句子很长,比《歌罗西书》中类似句子更长,更像是借鉴后者写出来的。
Remember how I even talked about with Colossians and Ephesians last time, you had this idea that they almost sound like the resurrection has already taken place. 记得吗,上次讲到歌罗西书和以弗所书时,两封信给人的感觉是,死而复生好像已经发生。
Other people could say, well there's also the vocabulary, the vocabulary is quite a bit different in Colossians and Ephesians. 也有人指出词汇问题,词汇也有很大区别,在《歌罗西书》和《以弗所书》中。
If you noticed the Colossians sentence was long but it was not nearly as elaborate as that Ephesians sentence, right? 《歌罗西书》中的句子很长,但远没有《以弗所书》句子那样讲究?
Number one,; I said Colossians and Ephesians both have realized eschatology; Paul has reserved eschatology. 第一,我说过《歌罗西书》和《以弗所书》都持实现的末世论;,保罗持未实现的末世论。
And Ephesians is written by another disciple of Paul using Colossians and Paul's letters as models. 《以弗所书》是保罗另一门徒所写,用《歌罗西书》和保罗的信为模板。
One of the things is that we think that Ephesians may have been a circular letter because of this idea that not all the Greek manuscripts have Ephesians and some have other things. 一个原因是,我们认为《以弗所书》是封通函,是因为希腊手稿中,没有提到以弗所,有些说的是别的地方。
Why does Colossians come after Ephesians in the Canon? 正经中《歌罗西书》为什么排在《以弗所书》后面?
This has led some scholars to say maybe Ephesians was written as a circular letter. 这让很多学者认为,也许《以弗所书》是封通函。
I think a different disciple came around, knew about the letter to the Colossians, used Colossians as a model, and then wrote the letter to the Ephesians as another pseudonymous letter. 我认为是后来又有一位门徒,熟读《歌罗西书》,并以它为模板,写出《以弗所书》,成为另一封冒名伪书。
In Ephesians, the eleventh chapter of Ephesians, the letter not of Paul to the Ephesians but the letter of Ignatius to the Ephesians, he talks about his chains as pearls. 在《以弗所书》第11章,不是保罗的《以弗所书》,而是《伊格那丢达以弗所人书》,伊格那丢把他的捆绑比作珍珠。
Why do I say that Ephesians was written by a different author and not simply the same author? 我为什么说《以弗所书》的作者另有其人,而不是同一个作者?
They're using theology from Ephesians perhaps, or from Colossians but it doesn't really fit Paul's theology. 用的是《以弗所书》或《歌罗西书》的神学论,但并不符合保罗的神学。
Another major difference is Colossians and Ephesians have a slightly higher Christology. 另一主要区别是,《歌罗西书》和《以弗所书》,是略高层次的基督论。
Of course Colossians doesn't come before Ephesians even though I'm saying it was written before it, and why does Colossians come after Ephesians in the Canon? 当然《歌罗西书》排在《以弗所书》后面,虽然我说它是先完成的,正经中,《歌罗西书》为什么排在《以弗所书》后面?